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Of course, the folks who embrace the fact that homosexual practice is a sin – and cannot be defined as anything less than sin respond just as we all realize. ie: so long as you conservative-traditionalists call homosexual practice a sin, you are clearly rejecting us regardless of whatever you say. So we are angry and being rejected completely. They will never acquiesce to anything less than embracing their sinful life and in the end it is a complete waste to pretend differently. Sin cannot exist in a loving embrace with God and the church must be holy or it falls. If the church says sin and holy can co-exist, they are telling God that He must accept sinful lives as tolerable. How can we tolerate such insanity? Not in my book.
And, contrary to the party of “toleration of sin is OK” or “can’t be helped” I for one do not want to be in any church which takes a stand contrary to God.
Sone wish we could do just that – “peace at any price” – but we cannot and must not or the whole house collapses in very short order.
The Holy Father has the prerogative to close off discussion by declaring his judgments of the crisis as definite Church teaching. He might also welcome Catholic theological and philosophical discussions. But declaring his own undiscussed ideas as definitive is to close off discussion as if even discussion is dangerous for Catholics.
What a strange position to take by any Pope, who has already admitted having made mistakes himself in dealing with this crisis – mistakes on his own decisions and those of some Cardinals, Archbishops, Bishops, and others who have been his closest advisors.
Why would some our Church leaders want to “shut off” all the discussion,as if one’s own positions are sort of “infallible.” And of course, why are to fear allowing and encouraging free discussion if one is completely sure that his own decisions are the “absolute truth anyway.”
THE ATTACK UPON PRIESTS [AS A SPECIAL CLASS] WILL HELP DESTROY THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND IT WILL NOT RESOLVE ANYTHING [2018-08-25] MJD
MANY OF THE ATTACKS ARE STARTED BY SATAN WITH VAGUE AND DOWNRIGHT FALSE ACCUSATIONS WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE CHURCH WHICH HAS BECOME QUICK TO TAKE UP ALL ACCUSATIONS AS IF THEY ARE PROPER JUDICIAL TRIAL OUTCOMES –
THE ATTACKS COME FROM MANY WHO CLEVERLY DEMAND VIGILANTE JUSTICE AGAINST PRIESTS AND BISHOPS WITH LITTLE OR NO EVIDENCE AT ALL. THE WORDS CREDIBLE WITNESS DON’T MEAN A HOOT IN LARGE NUMBERS OF CASES
IF THIS CONTINUES BY CHURCH AGREEMENT, THE CHURCH WILL BE USING IT’S HAMMER TO POUND NAILS INTO THE UNITED STATES BILL OF RIGHTS. WHEN WE LOSE THAT, WE LOSE THE NATION ITSELF AND BECOME A DICTATORSHIP OF THE VIGILANTES
THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM – PROPERLY EXECUTED BY FAIR JUDGES – WILL BE OUR BEST WAY TO FIND AND PROCLAIM THE TRUTH OF GOD ABOUT ABUSE AND ABUSERS PROPERLY GIVEN FAIR TRIALS. THE CURRENT SITUATION WILL DESTROY US AND TOO MANY OF US WILL DO NOTHING TO STOP THE RUNAWAY TRAIN!
Integrity demands full disclosure: Seminarians are not boys. They are young Catholic adult men with a substantial Catholic education [or they wouldn’t be in a seminary] Some of them were “wimps” who went down into sexual sin with priest, bishop, or even Cardinal and obviously went into hiding about it. Their cowardice expanded the clerics’ sins further and further when it might well have been stopped.
In the process, they might have experienced their own martyrdom – and well they should have. If a 15 year old girl [Marie Gorretti] gave her life rather than be violated, were there not even a couple of “violated” seminarians willing to love enough to suffer too!
I have serious doubts about the manhood and integrity and courage of SOME seminarians across the land which warrants very serious investigation. Otherwise, even a few of these today may end up as fodder for Satan.
In God I trust
Your Excellency, [April 28, 2018]
In a little over a month you will all gather in Ft. Lauderdale. I think your priorities as shepherds are very poor in these meetings. I watch your meetings and many of them sound like “deck chair placement on the Titanic.“ You place barriers against the faithful using electronic mail, so I am sending this by USPS in hopes that you actually read it. June 2nd is my 82nd birthday, as you meet and my time is probably short. I have lived a wonderful Catholic life, but our Church has been weakened.
I was well formed in my faith and still believe strongly that the morality based in the commandments and Jesus words, as taught by our Church, must form my conscience for it to be a reliable guide. Most Catholics seem to ignore the need to have authoritative teaching in forming their conscience. The onslaught of literal and insinuated morality by the electronic media is overwhelming compared to the silence from most parish masses about issues which are literally killing off large numbers of the flock.
St. John Paul II spoke about shepherds: “The Good Shepherd, according to Christ’s words, is just he who, “seeing the wolf come”, does not flee, but is ready to risk his own life, struggling with the beast of prey so that none of the sheep will be lost. If he were not ready to do so, he would not be worthy of the name of Good Shepherd. He would he a hireling, but not a shepherd. “
When was the last time your pastors protected by warning the flock about deadly sins?
When was the last time you protected the flock to treat sexual immorality as sin?
When was the last time homosexual practice even mentioned? Or pornography?
Do you think children know nothing about sexual deviation and gay coupling? It is all around them! They know a lot more than you may think!
When was the last time we heard a sermon on the common demonic addictions of our day? When was the morality of suicide ever mentioned?
How about blatantly evil videos presented attractively on smart phones for every age?
Is not texting used to practice and promote sin? Are not children targets for the evil one?
How about parental responsibility to monitor unrestricted child and family media and cell phones?
Who pays attention to the spending done by youth in their family? What do they buy?
Is Satan restricted from access to both adults and children? Is not sinful life being presented in public schools?
Are the 10 commandments still in effect? Maybe each of them deserve a Sunday homily once a year! Are you really leading the diocese and caring for the flock if you do not direct parish homily content as needed to protect the flock?
The Church sometimes acts as if some of these issues have nothing to do with God. Is He neutral to them? Are not these evils far more prevalent than guns? Are not far more lives lost to them? We hear about God’s love every Sunday. Aren’t the commandments also an expression of God’s love?
The world tells you clearly and threateningly that you will be condemned and lose members if you start warning and teaching morality; it threatens you will lose our tax exemption. Threats seems to stiffle your acting as shepherds to battle the enemy! Are you ready to suffer the persecution that will follow! I see very little persecution today in the Western church as a result of protecting the flock. Is anyone protesting outside your chancery? Instead, large numbers of the flock are wandering away from your pastures. and we say: “how sad.”
This letter may be worthless to you, but I firmly believe God is trying to restore some balance to your responsibilities and I ask you to pray upon it. Mike & Nancy Donnelly, 2 Locust Hill Blv, Hamilton,NJ 08691 email@example.com
The Pope’s exhortation, Amoris Laetitia has evolved into a message of confusion. The confusion from the Holy Father gives supremacy to “conscience” and this is the most destructive part of Amoris – far more concerning than the wrongful taking of communion. If we all have the “right” to define truth as we see fit in our own (self-formed) conscience, all moral truth is up for grabs and all teachings are mere opinions from the Vatican. If confusion was unintended, the Holy Father would surely remove anything which has resulted in confusion of the faithful. Instead, he insists that what has been written is basically infallible teaching.
The Pope defines “conscience” (as I understand it) as the careful determination of morality – first based on objective Catholic teaching – but foremost based upon the individual’s personal evaluation of Catholic teaching. I think this is current understanding of the vast majority of Catholics and others who are concerned about Amoris teaching. This understanding – ignored by the Pope – is a cruel wrong and it keeps spreading, unstopped. So far no expert has taken the time to explain how he/she has defined what Pope Francis has said in Amoris.
I feel certain Francis knows knows exactly what he has said and he affirms such. He seems to wish to make it easy for anyone, who cares, to translate God’s word and all Church teaching as he/she seems fit. He seems to believe that morality has become misunderstood and too rigid. Moral “ideals” may be considered as the best alternative to ways of living but in the end, no more than that. If true, Scripture and tradition need to be re-understood, if they are to be the new paradigm open to wider interpretation.
Christian heretics down through the centuries, since Jesus lived with us, have often been extremely loving and caring people – even as they re-explain God’s truth into something less but more in line with their idea of God’s meaning. As such, the Church needs to ease off from truths that are too hard to live out. Some heretics seek church purification by establishing a new set of even harder rules. (Jesus accused the Pharisees of both of these errors.) This heresy is relaxed morality.
This deliberate alteration has understandably caused mass confusion around the Church and the world and deserves to be labeled “Heresy.” Astute theologians across the continents are disagreeing with each other and the Holy Father as to the full meaning of what he has written. Why would anyone blame the rest of us for our confusion or expect us to follow what they can’t agree upon? It is an invitation to live as one sees fit – ignore the fight within the church – with this excuse that Jesus never demands anything that is too hard. Taking this position is a grave wrong to the faithful that the Pope seems willing to tolerate for the greater good of showing “mercy” to sinners and hurt people. All the time, Francis loudly claims that there is no alteration to church teaching in what he has written. This sounds like an assurance from the Pope that his teaching is not a change while we believe there is a fundamental change in Amoris as do many theologians.
Personally, I think our Holy Father’s love for people has been affected by experiencing so much damage done to people he loves, that he has lost the ability to recognize the hardest words of Our Lord as the full truth – words which encourage us to take up our crosses – crosses which line the path of freedom. Anything less is cruel deception. Jesus says He is the truth and the truth will set you free. Amoris is “truth” distorted.
I believe that the author who wishes to send any message, has a strong obligation to insure that his message is clear enough to be understood by all who are supposed to follow it. Yet confusion is self-evident here – the message is either deliberately confusing or was meant to be clear. Pope Francis refuses to clarify the confusion saying: “what I have written, I have written.”
I think our Holy Father is a holy – saintly – Pope whose love for the flock is obvious but like a loving father, he is vulnerable to this heresy and has begun to promote it. May the Holy Spirit shine His true light upon the Church and our Holy Father to hear the fullness of God and insure that we all clearly understand every aspect of it. Meanwhile, most of us will do best to follow clearly what has always been taught.
NEW JERSEY’S GOVERNOR WANTS “POT” FOR ANYONE! HAS HE STOPPED ILLEGAL DRUGS, ALCOHOL, OR OTHER KILLERS?
NEW JERSEY’S GOVERNOR WANTS “POT” FOR ANYONE! HAS HE STOPPED ILLEGAL DRUGS, ALCOHOL, OR OTHER KILLERS?
I AM CONVINCED THAT FEW OF YOU CHALLENGE THE HARD QUESTIONS ABOUT “POT.”:
I WANT ASSURANCE BEFORE I USE AIRPLANE, BUS, TRAIN OR OTHER DRIVER WHO USES “POT” – I BET YOU DO TOO!
I WANT ASSURANCE BEFORE I SIGN UP FOR ANY PERSONAL MEDICAL OR PHYSICAL CARE FROM “POT” USERS. i BET YOU DO TOO!
I WANT ASSURANCE [WITH TEETH IN THE LAW] THAT BUSINESSES WHICH WORK OR SELL THINGS TO MYSELF OR FAMILY MEMBERS HAVE SYSTEMS TO TEST THEIR EMPLOYEES FOR “POT” INFLUENCE WHILE THEIR WORKERS ARE ON THE JOB!
I SUSPECT YOU WILL PUT SOME OF THIS IN THE LAW BUT HAVE LITTLE MEANINGFUL GUARANTEES THAT THE REST OF US ARE SAFE FROM “POT” HEADS!
GOVERNOR MURPHY CLEARLY HAS HAD NO TIME TO MAKE DETAIL STUDIES ABOUT THE REST OF US BECOMING THE TARGETS OF “POT” USERS. I AM SURE HE KNOWS LITTLE ABOUT “POT” OTHER THAN THE POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS. ALREADY OTHER “POT” STATES ARE IN TROUBLE OVER CARELESS USERS AND ABUSERS. IF YOU PASS THIS KILLER LAW, YOU WILL BE RELATIVELY SAFE FROM IT, BUT NOT THE REST OF US, IF YOU SHOVE IT DOWN OUR THROATS!
“POT” IS NOT THE HARMLESS LITTLE SUBSTANCE THAT MANY OF YOU SEEM TO THINK IT IS. WILL YOUR OATH TO PROTECT US FROM YOUR LAWS WORK? THEY OFTEN FAIL TO DO SO!